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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hand

Let me introduce myself I'm Hippie I'm not 64 but thats the year I was born, a little late I know,
I thought I'd try and start over w/ this group I love this place,you really can express whatever you wish, dead related or not.
I can't really say if I like all the discussion about who should be in the band or not.What are the gory details of Pig's death. For reasons that are not our own the incarnation we have as the Grateful Dead is her through a long a colorful journey,more exciting at times than others. I want people to use this thread to dicuss what they love about the Dead not what they disapprove of. I hope this is the longest thread in the danged history of the archive. Love live the Grateful Dead

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 3, 2009 11:50am
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Born in 1964 ?You are a baby hippie then !

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 12:03pm
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the last of the baby boomers old enough to know what the hell is goin down just not old enough to partake. its in my blood Had I been there for real I woulda kissed Abbie Hoffman one the mouth

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 3, 2009 1:22pm
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Just because some old farts here jotted their set lists on stone tablets doesn't mean they love the band more than you love the band.

Arbuthnot, for example, is a younger man and he loves this band and Garcia as much as anybody I've ever known.

This forum is awesome because we all come from different places and times, yet we have one thing in common. If we only had the "old hippies", the GD history books would only go to 1977, or maybe only 1970. Long-live BRENT!! Yeah, that's right. If you snickered at that comment, you're on the list...old hippie.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:35pm
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YeahI can dig some Brent when he is going the hell off. I think he might have had some North Carolina redneck in him

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Poster: cush212 Date: Oct 3, 2009 3:22pm
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Careful who you refer to as "old farts" some of us may actually fit into that category!

One other thing... Did you wash your hands before you jumped on this thread?

And furthurmore! Welcome to the new guy that started it... Meself, I'm a 60's/ 76>79 fan

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 3, 2009 2:38pm
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Yeah, but I know you were joking...Would anyone nominate and defend 80s DEAD as the best?

Not to start an old farts hijack or anything...

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:29pm
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Having grown up in the East Bay, born in 1971, old-hippies were just people I knew. Folks from the neighborhood. I remember an old hippie who helped me out on several occasions. I never knew his name, but he lived in a very cool Victorian near my bus-stop. This was during Kindergarten-1st grade period of me life.

First, he emerged from his house to save me from a pack of dogs. We lived way up in the hills(back then we were removed from city life. These days, this area is just another piece of the sprawl)and dogs just roamed. He taught me to carry a stick and never be afraid of dogs because they are "smaller and dumber". This occurred during my first few days of Kindergarten.

The following year I was on my way to the baby-sitter's house and some doofus drove, way too fast, around the corner near the old hippie's house. The "old guy"(he was probably all of 32!)flipped the driver the bird and said a few choice words. Actions which were all new to me.:) Later he described the incident to one of his friends. This was the first time I'd heard the term, "the bird". Which was...well, a life-altering experience.

As a result, I have a soft heart for old-hippies. The term has always been used relative to my own age and this, I'm happy to say, will never change.

In addition to my neighborhood experiences I met so many remarkable "old hippies" in my GD/JGB days.....I love you guys. Old hippies rule. So many of them are intelligent and kind.

Yet, most are useless on the hardwood. Except Walton, of course.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Oct 3, 2009 6:13pm
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I can't defend them as the best, but I will defend them as my favorite. Much of that has to do with my persoanl experiences, but as the VH1 show says...I Love The 80s!!!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 7:14pm
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Or did you mean 80's Dead ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5-NVBD5N8

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:39pm
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To me it all depends on what I am in the mood for. Why limit yourself? There is too much music out there to have tunnel vision. Give it a try PM cant hurt!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:46pm
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Aigheee...! Everything's going black...argh...must...hit..."stop" button...last (gasp!)...effort, ah...@&$*#!

[I thought you said it wouldn't hurt?]

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:50pm
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80's are too painfull for me. Forget about the 90's...

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 3, 2009 6:48pm
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Hey <78'ers(Hmm, that sounds like haters...) - It is so cliche these days to say, "I feel sorry for you". It's the passive-aggressive flavour(nod to arb) of the decade.

Actually, I think you're selling your favorite band short. The band didn't become more talented during the 80's and 90's, true. However, I'm surprised you don't find pleasure in the natural and inevitable changes in the band. The aging vocal chords, the mellowing of the players and their sound.

Watching the GD in 1989 was like seeing Jack Nicklaus win the Masters in 1986. Seeing the GD in 1994 was like watching Arnold Palmer today. In both cases, I can make good arguments as to why what you were seeing was significant.

Was 80's GD as good as 70's? Nope. Was 90's GD worth hearing? You betcha. Is all of it relevant today? Yes.

Do you have to do what I say? Absolutely not. In fact, I'd discourage you from following any advice I might offer. Now and in the future.:) Boogie 'til you puke.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 7:02pm
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Dig it

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 3, 2009 7:33pm
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I'm sorry Flow, I very respectfully can't disagree with you more!

"I'm surprised you don't find pleasure in the natural and inevitable changes in the band. The aging vocal chords, the mellowing of the players and their sound."

I'm afraid I dont. It's like rubber-necking at a bad traffic accident!

"Watching the GD in 1989 was like seeing Jack Nicklaus win the Masters in 1986. Seeing the GD in 1994 was like watching Arnold Palmer today."

More like watching John Daly implode at the 1993 Kemper Open. In fact, you could say there are quite a few similarities between Daly and Jer...

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 3, 2009 8:52pm
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Point taken. Jer did not age nearly as gracefully as the golfers I mention. For me, however, there was and is merit to the performances of the 80's and 90's. The slugging percentage suffered, no doubt, but occasionally he'd get a hold of one which made the crowd gasp(switching metaphors from golf to baseball now.....what a fuckin' meathead!). And w/ JGB, he was good for a hat-trick every night!!



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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 1:58pm
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My youngest daughter would have to agree w/ that old hippie remark. Is that the jury I see coming back?

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Poster: squirrel barker Date: Oct 4, 2009 7:22am
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I'm a 56er.I guess I heard,then bought Workingman's Dead in 70 and never looked back.I love music, plain and simple,I may go off on listening tangents of many styles,learn and play to the best of my abilities.But I always cycle back to Grateful Dead and I think it's the joy they expressed that does it for me.It almost makes me feel trite saying it but they allowed me to put a Joie de vivre into all aspects of my little life.Music has been there for me from the time I heard Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini then The Beatles etc.But those guys Ay yi yi!Same as everyone.Peace.

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Poster: waynecs Date: Oct 3, 2009 4:42pm
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"use this thread to dicuss what they love about the Dead"

The music.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 5, 2009 7:35am
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Yup - the music

http://www.archive.org/details/gd80-11-29.wise.sacks.2409.sbeok.shnf

And the fun factor

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 3, 2009 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Strangers stopping strangers just to shake their hand

Well, I consider myself a "middle" head , in that I saw my first show in 1979, just in time to catch Keith and Donna one last time before the Brent era started.

I stayed on the bus until 1994, seeing my last show in Highgate, VT. (Great time, lousy show.)

And that's just one remarkable thing about why i loved the Dead so much. I have a lot of '77 envy (i think that was their best year), and really envy those older heads who got to see what I consider the true glory years of 1972-1977....but even though I saw my vast majority of shows in what I consider musically the band's weakest period of 1985-1988 (outside of the '92-'95 end game)...I still NEVER had anything but an amazingly wonderful time at all the shows I went to. The friends, the vibe, the dancing, the (eh-hem...recreational extracurricular 'activities' ;-)...and of course, the music....all added up to an experience I will cherish til the end of my days.

I also got hooked by American Beauty..."Friend of the Devil" was the first Dead song I ever heard, and something in that country/folk/rock/americana feel instantly spoke to me...and from there it was like walking into the most astounding musical treasure trove, hidden away from mainstream view, but available to anyone willing to take the extra time to listen.

I'd never heard anything that sounded quite like Garcia's sweet, flowing, yet gritty and at time flat out growling guitar before and haven't since. Add in the meshing of the rest of the band's unique contributions and you end up with a mix truly apart from anything else.

Whenever I try to explain its lure I can't come up with anything as succinct as 1) the classic bumper sticker saying, which I think was originated by Bill Graham: "They're not the best at what they do...they're the only ones who do what they do", or 2) as Garcia himself once said: "The Grateful Dead are like licorice. Not everyone likes licorice, but the people who like licorice, REALLY like licorice."

I'll also just add that at that first concert I saw (Nassau Coliseum 1/11/79), just 14 years old and wide-eyed with awe...I can remember still the EXACT MOMENT that my brain really got exploded by this band...I had of course by then known the tune "Jack Straw", but only from the Europe '72 album...and back then the song was pretty mellow. That night in Nassau was the first time I ever heard how the Dead could open up a jam on a tune and bring it to places you didn't think music could really go...climb to heights of ecstacy that you didn't really think could be reached...by the time they crashed down into belting out "Jack Straw from Witchita cut his buddy down!", I was hooked like a large mouth bass on the sweetest worm he ever tasted...and I didn't even want to put up a fight.

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Poster: vapors Date: Oct 3, 2009 12:20pm
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Well sir, I love the fact that I was alive, ready willing and able to tour with the Dead as much as I did. I never saw Pigpen, Keith or Donna, but I am without doubt eternally thankful that the recorded works of all lineups is so readily available to me. You strike a nerve with this post. I’d like to think that I have new found friends here, indeed as I previously have stated my participation in the forum changed my life in a way that I did not think possible. It has crossed my mind that there is a lot of knocking, but this is a free forum and we live in a free society.

The Jerry Garcia and company that changed my life forever may have not been the same group that I was too young (or later occupied) to have enjoyed in person, but I know I was not alone in appreciating them for what they were. I loved the way Jerry sang and played, the way the group jammed out together, the freedom I felt at a show where I could let it all hang out. I loved the way Brent sang and played and thought he was one of the most soulful singers I had ever heard in person. Thank you Hippie for getting me to say this. Peace. Ps. I’m not having an identity crisis; I just recently had a real life lesson in the value of anonymity. (such as it is)

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 12:27pm
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The what if's are intangibles to me I don,'t understand them. I read alot of these post because I'm interested and want to learn more about the band, I really love the stories,it's a folk presence I've had in my life for a great many years now, I'm just not going to be pretenious enough to know what was better for the GD. I know maybe I'm showing my ignorant side and I am a bi-polar Gemini anyways,so forgive me if I trying to stick up for Mickey,Donna,Brent,Keith,Bobby,Pigpen,TC,Phil,Billy,Bruce and Jerry.
My apologizes for the pretentious comment back there you all free to dream and hypothizes all you want. I understand and love this archive and forum, wanting a censorship for comments or ideas was never the purpose of my original post.Just wantrd to say hello

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 4, 2009 12:23am
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Somebody to Love? How about Grace Slick. The model turned Jefferson Airplane singer slept with every member of the group but somehow missed vocalist Marty Balin. That includes guitarists Pau Kantner and Jorma Kaukonen, bassist Jack Casady and drummer Spencer Dryden. Slick didn't always keep it intramural, as she even had an affair with The Doors' Jim Morrison that involved a bedful of smashed strawberries -- giving a new definition to the phrase "jam session"!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 4, 2009 12:23am
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Somebody to Love? How about Grace Slick. The model turned Jefferson Airplane singer slept with every member of the group but somehow missed vocalist Marty Balin. That includes guitarists Pau Kantner and Jorma Kaukonen, bassist Jack Casady and drummer Spencer Dryden. Slick didn't always keep it intramural, as she even had an affair with The Doors' Jim Morrison that involved a bedful of smashed strawberries -- giving a new definition to the phrase "jam session"!

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 4, 2009 12:23am
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Somebody to Love? How about Grace Slick. The model turned Jefferson Airplane singer slept with every member of the group but somehow missed vocalist Marty Balin. That includes guitarists Pau Kantner and Jorma Kaukonen, bassist Jack Casady and drummer Spencer Dryden. Slick didn't always keep it intramural, as she even had an affair with The Doors' Jim Morrison that involved a bedful of smashed strawberries -- giving a new definition to the phrase "jam session"!

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Poster: jemajn2323 Date: Oct 4, 2009 6:04am
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I was a changed person by the end of Half Step at the Nov. Binghamton show in '77. I was 18 and had just moved out of the nest, I needed something like this bad. I like it all! to this day, but I must admit that there is also something that I believe shapes my Deadheadness. After the Bing. show, I saw Jerry a few times from the end of 77 to the begining of 78, then saw the Dead again at William & Mary(the Dew@!!!) Getting good copies of this time period of the Jerry shows ala Pure Jerry from Dead.net(only took 16 days to ship a 2-3day order!) reminds me of how I was "programmed". There was something just as indescribable and freakin amazing at those Jerry shows-the 3-18-78 Warner show stands out for me- that I believe it prepared me in a certain way for the next 50+ Dead shows. I just get goosebumps to this day; listening to the collection or even reading posts here. I love it all, and I just can't thank the people enough who make this archive possible, from the fans, the tapers, the digital magicians, the uploaders, to all the regular posters here; you make my religion of cryptical ambiguity on a roller coaster a genuine reality. Don't get sucked into it now!

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Oct 4, 2009 7:37am
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8/29/1980s- to early '90s GD was the BEST. Why? Cause I was there!!!!!

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Oct 6, 2009 6:46am
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"8/29/1980s- to early '90s GD was the BEST. Why? Cause I was there!!!!! "

And that's what it's all about!

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 4, 2009 7:56am
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I agree with you ,solo head ,for the same reasons !

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 4, 2009 10:08am
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While there is no doubt the seventies must have been great for GD music ,the eighties were the top of the best deadheads to meet . Witty ,intelligent, courtious ,friendly ,i could trust my life to "strangers"i never met before to go to shows ,hang out in parkinglots and spend nights and days, miles and places ,never had to worry nor be wary of what could happen ,from early eighties to mid nighties . I don't know if it is due to Jery's death ,but,frankly today,the deadheads that were are not really there anymore . I don't recognize their spiits ,and those ,round foty years old today, are not people i wouldtrust wwith my life ,nowadays !That is more revealing that any other truth i see concerning "deadheads" of today !

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Poster: B.C. Cox Date: Oct 3, 2009 1:26pm
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Myself, I loved to tours. They would take you on a long strange trip fursure. Through some of the most beautiful countryside in this country (usa). Most people were pretty cool up until "in the dark", then it got freaky.

I saw my first show in the mid 70's and started again (via punk rock and blues) around 1979. Once in college, I started hanging with some east coast/north central heads and started touring soon after, for maybe 4 years..... My favorite was the deadicated girls and the heavy laughter produced from the cosmic mindbending.

Them folks really got it back then.

My last shows were in Vegas in 1992, but such a memory. $20. Dune rooms, an inhouse n20 tank, and 1/2 gallon vodka baggies for the shows.

Quite the Memorial Day Weekend....

........o'ya the music kept me going,

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 1:36pm
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My first show was Vinny's first in Cleveland so I didn't really get to see the Dead in there Prime so to speak. Still I loved every minute of it even if the music wasn't always movin like the welled oiled machine they were capable of.

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Poster: B.C. Cox Date: Oct 3, 2009 11:12pm
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was Vinny with the Tubes in 75... Was a grate show as a youngster in winterland - Aerosmith > The Tubes > Kiss

30 years later my nephew's band is using the same glitter cannon as The Tubes and pissing off even larger crowds.

SAVE IT FOR LATE

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 3, 2009 12:56pm
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Well, the love and death threads went on to such lengths that I think no thread has much of a chance of catching them, but here's to your sentiment!

I saw them from 74 til 82, and heard one SF concert from the car in 67, but completely dropped out from 82 til recently (05 or so with this place).

I value them primarily for two things: the music, which of course I love more than most any other (ie, in the way I can listen to CREAM or TalkHeads or WhStripes, but a bit moreso). And, second, the lyrics, ie, Hunter. That is what brings them to the fore for me, and always has. That is why Early Era is my focus, as I think all or at least many of great lyrics and songs to match were crafted from 68 to 70, with AmBeauty and Workman's being the highlights (I concede that a few gems were remaining to come out in the early to mid 70s, but you get my point).

Those lyrics really resonated and still do...as Earl, LiA, Rob and others commented on in the Love and Death threads, all manner of analysis and comment on "life" were expressed beautifully by Hunter and the boys, and that is what really does it for me in terms of my love affair with the DEAD. And then, as elb notes, it might also be because it's a great way to meet nice girls like Miss D.

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Poster: boltman Date: Oct 5, 2009 8:41am
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Echo your rationale for loving the Dead, but started a bit early (probably makes me older). Live Dead did it for me...lived in the Bay Area and got to catch some shows in San Francisco (70-72) before moving to San Diego where I would see them whenever they came to town. Last show was '84 in OC. Continued to listen, but found the IA in '05 (ish) and "rediscovered" the concert experience.

It is the incredible combination of the music and Hunter's lyrics (Barlow as well) that make it amazing. There are times of transcendence that are hard to find anywhere else except in GD concerts, times when everything just goes away and I am lost in the experience. That's what keeps me coming back and back, searching for those moments.

While I prefer early Dead (probably because it is when I first "got on the bus") I am stretching through the 70's and even trying some 80's. However, 68 - 73 just seems to do it for me more often.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 3, 2009 1:42pm
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American Beauty hooked me and never let go. I love the 68 era I was listening to febuary 68 show today and was suprised to hear Lerry mention the passing of Cassady. I had no idea it was so early in 68 that he left us. WT, do you know of a book (besides on the road) that can shed more light on his life? Does anybody ?

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Oct 3, 2009 3:13pm
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There's a 2006 biography of him called "Neal Cassady: The Fast Life of a Beat Hero" by David Sandison, and his wife Carolyn wrote her memoirs under the title "Off the Road" (1990). Your local public library will get them for you for free, or you could probably find secondhand copies at www.abebooks.com

In both books he comes across primarily as an emotionally immature and self-indulgent egotist who was most interested in getting high and hitting on the nearest attractive woman. There must have been more to him that doesn't come across in books, since he acquired the reputation of a mystic American avatar full of crazy wisdom. Among the wonderful people who admired him,or even loved him, were not just Jerry and Bob (who was his roomate for awhile at 710 Haight St) but also Allen Ginsberg and Ken Kesey.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 3, 2009 9:32pm
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Good summary D!

Yeah, along with Cush, I don't "get" him the way those that experienced him do...comes across as creepy and terribly self indulgent, but I suppose we all are, eh?

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Poster: cush212 Date: Oct 3, 2009 3:35pm
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A true connundrum was Neal. I met him once when I was a kid and he kind of scared the heck out of me. But all things considered, he was loved and respected by them that we do...

If that makes any sense, could you 'splain it to me???

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Oct 6, 2009 6:41am
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"emotionally immature and self-indulgent egotist who was most interested in getting high and hitting on the nearest attractive woman"

That pretty much sums up the 60's as I remember them.

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Poster: snori Date: Oct 4, 2009 5:33am
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More than 30 years after I read 'On the Road' I read Carolyn Casady's book. Then I read OTR again, and saw it in a completely different light. OK I was a teenager the first time, but things like leaving your wife with a new baby to hitchhike across the country to see some jazz definitely did not seem quite so cool as it had earlier. It remains a fantastic piece of writing, and captures the effervescence of the experience, but it's not a Life Manual.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 4, 2009 3:25pm
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Yep; context does alter the story line, doesn't it?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 5, 2009 7:45am
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I've got to agree with the Hunter comment - the lyrics are a big part of the Grateful Dead